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Whats your name 

Mün Lün Kir Sa


How old are you?    

I'm 24 and sometimes I think I'm 25.

Where you from? 

I've always lived in suburban houses in New Jersey for long periods of time.


How long have you been making art?

I'd been playing with crayons since I was small. I was around music a lot then too. I didn't really have the ability to “freely” create, like inside my head. With art I got to this point where I didn't really like anything that I was making. My parents paid for and sent me to art classes, I drew still-lifes and was slightly into manga and DIY trading cards. Even in high school I had the dexterity to draw and was the token “art kid” in class, but I didn't really know what to draw.

 

So you had a hard time creating?

I had no inspiration, direction, or ability to generate things from nothing. I would say around age 19 or 20 I began to gain abilities and interests. If I think back over my life as a whole, this also coincides with myself finally diving down the rabbit hole of mortality and getting to know death.

Why have you found yourself with so many different mediums?

I think this spawns from never wanting to spend money on things, usually out of necessity or maybe because it just makes more sense. The idea of going out and buying art supplies is ludicrous to me, though I understand why people do it. I love free things too, and through the years many of my gracious friends have known this and donated things to me, and I keep everything. So whatever formal-looking art I do make is more of a coincidence of me happening to have the supplies. If I was smart I would sell the supplies and make art for free or out of supplies that have no monetary value--but I still have some deep-seated sentimentality to “real” art supplies. 

 "I grasp on to every opportunity no matter what it looks like and that’s probably to my demise"

 

What things inspire you to create these types of art? 
I get a lot of ideas that come to me, I try to write them down in lists. I think there are overarching basic themes too like spirituality, metaphysics, Internet culture, Fortean and other high strangeness topics. I used to not get any ideas, but now I have an abundance. I'm not sure if all of them are good, and I suspect I have the tendency to act on everything I can foresee as being possible to execute.

Do you think anything from your childhood took you into this direction of artwork?
Usually I feel like I'm breaking out of my childhood. Besides having trouble with school it was a very idyllic time. Transforming into an adult brought many more interesting or scary questions and paths. That being said, I do have a few reoccurring motifs that connect back to when I was small. I use these cherished things very sparingly and keep them well hidden.
 

 

Any big art shows coming up for yourself?

I wish, I'm awful at badgering places to let me show. I'd rather be asked, but I know that's not a plausible reality. Shows have been affecting me in a bad way recently. Things just seem empty--when I show my own work, when other people show their work. I'm beginning to think that the visual art “game”, as in big time NYC galleries, is all just a strange money game.. That the contemporary visual art isn't even being made to say something new. Also, a lot of things have been "said", and even if you do something new, no one will notice because there's too much and there's no way to keep track of it all. 

"I wish, I'm awful at badgering places

to let me show. I'd rather be asked,

but I know that's not a plausible reality."

How did that one art show go in New Jersey? It looked really cool wish I could have made it out there. 
It was ok! No one came and nothing has sold BUT I had a really good conversation with the other person I split-showed with and their friend who came by coincidentally. I visited the friend of the artist the other day with my partner and “hung out” like normal people seem to do.

Taking a Hard left…

 

Why have you decided to create a youtube channel? 
I've had that channel (4biddenvids) for a while. I used to post digicam skateboard edits on it when I was younger. In the past few years I've uploaded some other themed content to it as well. Last year I was given an old Windows Lumia 920 that could handle movie editing, so I was taking that with me when I went out and making mini video experiences. Recently I've been making a live painting show on the channel.

My personal favorite to watch is Kir Paints Pitchers.

How do you go about creating these “podcasts” I guess I’ll call it? 
That show started off as me trying my hand at YouTube. I can talk to myself for long amounts of time, and I can make a picture from nothing or from pre-existing images easily. I combined that with a LGBTQ+ slant as well. Maybe a few months before I started KPP I got really interested in topics around queerness, and I let myself dig into some stuff around my own gender and sexuality that were deeply compressed and hidden. So with that process of discovering wonderful labels and online community, I realized that

   

   1. As a nonbinary/gender non-conforming person, there are very few down to          earth artists/musicians/creators to look up to. 

  2. A queer artist YouTuber making live digital paintings surely isn't a thing, yet.

So again, it was one of these ideas that my brain proposed to me and I had to at least try.

Anything else on your YouTube you think people should go watch? 

There's a lot on there. I'm not sure if anyone saw this but 4 months ago I posted a video giving the key to my writing system. I don't fully explain it out, more just show it and go through each sound-to-character relation. I know it probably seems like a replacement cipher, but it's more than that--it’s all meticulously crafted and balanced.

How do you keep yourself posting even if you aren't seeing the biggest return on investment? 
With YouTube, that's a great question. I used to see possibility of monetization, but recently YT changed their policy on that and it seems utterly hopeless. I also get a creeping suspicion that they repress anything related to LBGTQ+ topics. Kir Paints Pitchers used to be a routine, but I took a break for January. I made a whole new format for the program with three different rotating themes and better features. I think I'll pick it back up again soon, but I'm not sure. It’s not even that I’ll never get paid for it, I’ve gotten like three peoples feedback after 30 15-30 minute episodes. I’m sure small YouTubers do that all the time, and it’d be dumb of me to complain about it, but I honestly can’t discern whether it’s worth my time or not.

Anything you doing on the side?

Currently instead of filming more, I’m finishing up a fiction book I started writing last year. It's been weighing on me and I just want to release it, record an audiobook, and be done with it. It's another instance of feeling guilty for wasting so much energy on things that will yield nothing (or maybe they’ll yield everything, it’s literally the lottery.) It's all even more frustrating because I genuinely enjoy making a show like KPP or writing this book, or anything that I actually want to do.

"I never get upset.

Nothing happens with these things,

in the end I make it all for myself"

Anything you want to say to the 2 people probably reading this?    

Haha, two people, I think we might be on a similar wavelength. I want to give encouragement to people who are fans of art and music to get into that local pocket more. Not even just geographically either. I feel like a local Internet is a thing, like the tribe of people you really enjoy following. Support the artists, musicians, writers, and curators there, be a part of that scene whether it’s IRL or virtual.

What do you think about consumer culture?

Consumer culture has always been this thing where the famous people making content are way at the top, unreachable and possibly manufactured/goaded on by suits. But now, especially with such a freedom and connectivity that the Internet and open-source software has provided, we have the ability to be our own creators for free with varying levels of visibility. In this new reality, money is still real, vocal validation is still real, sharing is still real--just as it is/was for the possibly antiquated model of celebrities being nation-wide god figures collecting big checks. I am clearly a little too biased and embarrassingly distressed, but I think it makes sense that supporting your creative friends is a much better option than supporting artists who have basically transformed into large brands, dishing out art to fans that isn’t even made by them. That’s an age old theme and point of contention, but I feel like the rise of small scenes actually provides an answer.

Any shameless plugs you want to give?    

I recently remade my website and made many different past projects available for stream or download. Basically that’s my hub and everything else branches out. I’ll leave a few links for anyone interested:


special-rutaba.ga
4biddentunes.bandcamp.com
4biddenvids on YouTube
@specialrutabaga on instagram
patreon.com/specialrutabaga

Thanks Little Art Mag!

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